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Comparing the Halls

Last November we took a look at the HoME in comparison to other Halls. And today, as we approach our final election at the Hall of Miller and Eric, it’s time to review and in a way, reflect. We’re going to look at those Halls once again as our project comes to a conclusion. We undertook this project because the Hall of Fame is a mess. But in the process of our review and our evisceration of Hall voters, we’ve realized just how much agreement there is as far as the experts at the Hall of Fame, Hall of Stats, Hall of Merit, and Hall of Miller and Eric are concerned.

There’s agreement, but there’s plenty of disagreement too. We’ll discuss both in this post.

We Agree

As I guess we should have expected, there’s tremendous agreement among the four Halls. In two days, once our 2015 election is complete, each of the four Halls will have elected 137 of the same players. We agree on Walter Johnson and Babe Ruth, of course. And we also agree on guys close to the borderline like Jimmy Collins, Whitey Ford, and Zach Wheat. Overall we’re unanimous on 63.7% of players in the HoME, which I think is a pretty decent percentage.

We Agree on Talent

Hopefully the BBWAA lets Piazza in this year.

Hopefully the BBWAA lets Piazza in this year.

We can add eight names to those on whom we agree if we only consider talent. The Hall of Fame hasn’t elected Joe Jackson, Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Jeff Bagwell, Mike Piazza, Rafael Palmeiro, or Mark McGwire, though the rest of us have. Suspension, steroid use, or steroid suspicion has kept their bronze busts from being hung in Cooperstown. If they were all elected, the other Halls would match 67.4% of those in the HoME. Basically, we have unanimity in terms of talent on more than 2/3 of the HoME.

Oh, How the Hall Has Failed

There are 28 more players who have been inducted into the Halls of Stats, Merit, and Miller and Eric but not the Hall of Fame. That means there’s 80.5% agreement among those three Halls. Is there a certain type of player on whom the Hall of Fame has fanned? Sure is!

I can dream.

I can dream.

Joe Torre, 1960-1977
Dick Allen, 1963-1977
Jimmy Wynn, 1963-1977
Reggie Smith, 1966-1982
Graig Nettles, 1967-1988
Ted Simmons, 1968-1988
Darrell Evans, 1969-1989
Bobby Grich, 1970-1986
Dwight Evans, 1972-1991
Keith Hernandez, 1974-1990
Willie Randolph, 1975-1992
Lou Whitaker, 1977-1995
Alan Trammell, 1977-1996

It'll take some time, but they'll get this one right. I hope.

It’ll take some time, but they’ll get this one right. At least I hope so.

The Hall hates hitters from the 1970s, specifically hitters who were active in 1977, it would seem. And they also hate pitchers with low win totals.

Curt Schilling, 216
Rick Reuschel, 214
Kevin Brown, 211
David Cone, 194
Dave Stieb, 176
Bret Saberhagen, 167

Others they’ve whiffed on have been old guys like Charlie Bennett, Jack Glasscock, Bill Dahlen, Sherry Magee, and Wes Ferrell. They’ve also failed on hitters like Ken Boyer, Tim Raines, Edgar Martinez, and Larry Walker.

Here’s the whole group.

HoME, Stats, and Merit (no Fame)   
Dick Allen	  Charlie Bennett   Ken Boyer	      Kevin Brown
David Cone	  Bill Dahlen	    Darrell Evans     Dwight Evans
Wes Ferrell	  Jack Glasscock    Bobby Grich	      Keith Hernandez
Sherry Magee	  Edgar Martinez    Graig Nettles     Tim Raines
Willie Randolph	  Rick Reuschel	    Bret Saberhagen   Curt Schilling
Ted Simmons	  Reggie Smith	    Dave Stieb	      Joe Torre
Alan Trammell	  Larry Walker	    Lou Whitaker      Jimmy Wynn

The Hall of Merit also leans away from 1970s hitters and low-win pitchers.

HoME and Stats (no Fame or Merit)                                          
Kevin Appier	  Sal Bando	  Buddy Bell	   Barry Bonds              
Willie Davis	  Chuck Finley	  Orel Hershiser   Bob Johnson
Jeff Kent	  Kenny Lofton	  Thurman Munson   Mike Mussina
Gary Sheffield	  Urban Shocker	  Sammy Sosa	   Luis Tiant

And the Hall of Merit leans away from early hitters (and 11-time All-Star catchers).

HoME and Merit (no Fame or Stats)
Ross Barnes	  Bill Freehan	  Paul Hines
Jimmy Sheckard	  George Wright	

The Hall of Fame Gets It Right!

By getting it right, I mean voting for a player the HoME supports that either the Hall of Stats or the Hall of Merit doesn’t.

It’s hard to say there’s a specific type of player on whom the Halls of Fame and Merit agree with us but Stats disagrees. But it’s clear they’re not home run hitters.

HoME, Fame, and Merit (no Stats)
Roy Campanella	   Max Carey	  Rich Gossage	   Billy Herman
Willie Keeler	   Bid McPhee	  Joe Sewell	   Monte Ward

There are only three players we’ve agreed with the Halls of Fame and Stats on but not the Hall of Merit. And John Smoltz will likely be in the Hall of Merit soon enough.

HoME, Fame, and Stats (no Merit)
John Smoltz	   Joe Tinker	  Vic Willis

And there are just two who have reached the HoME and Hall of Fame but neither of the others, both defensive stars.

HoME and Fame (no Stats or Merit)
Dave Bancroft	   Harry Hooper

The HoME Doesn’t Elect Everyone

Below are a few charts of players elected by at least two of the Halls but not elected by us. This first one is where we stand alone by rejecting the player.

Fame, Stats, and Merit (no HoME)
Jake Beckley     Larry Doby	     Harmon Killebrew
Joe Medwick      Willie Stargell     Hoyt Wilhelm

These next two have two Halls in agreement but not with the HoME. Both groups are pretty interesting.

Fame and Merit (no Stats or HoME)
Earl Averill	   Roger Bresnahan     Bobby Doerr
Rollie Fingers	   Nellie Fox	       Hughie Jennings
Joe Kelley	   Ralph Kiner	       Bob Lemon
Eppa Rixey	   Edd Roush	       Enos Slaughter
Sam Thompson
Stats and Merit (no Fame or HoME)
Will Clark	  Clark Griffith       Billy Pierce

No Support

The following charts list the players who are in only one of the Halls. Notice how many are in the Hall of Fame without the support of any other group.

Hall of Fame Only
Luis Aparicio	   Chief Bender	      Lou Brock	          Jim Bottomley
Orlando Cepeda	   Frank Chance	      Jack Chesbro	  Earle Combs
Kiki Cuyler	   Dizzy Dean	      Hugh Duffy          Johnny Evers
Lefty Gomez	   Burleigh Grimes    Chick Hafey         Jesse Haines
Waite Hoyt	   Catfish Hunter     Travis Jackson      Addie Joss
George Kell	   George Kelley      Chuck Klein         Tony Lazzeri
Fred Lindstrom	   Ernie Lombardi     Heinie Manush       Rabbit Maranville
Rube Marquard	   Bill Mazeroski     Tommy McCarthy      Herb Pennock
Tony Perez	   Kirby Puckett      Jim Rice	          Sam Rice
Phil Rizzuto	   Ray Schalk	      Red Schoendienst    Bruce Sutter
Pie Traynor	   Lloyd Waner	      Mickey Welch        Hack Wilson
Ross Youngs			

I’m not going to beat a dead horse, but the thing the players above have most in common is that they’re just not that great.

Hall of Merit Only
Pete Browning	 Bob Caruthers	    Cupid Childs      George Gore
Heinie Groh	 Stan Hack	    Charley Jones     Charlie Keller
John McGraw	 Cal McVey	    Minnie Minoso     Dickey Pearce
Lip Pike	 Hardy Richardson   Al Spalding	      Joe Start
Harry Stovey	 Ezra Sutton		

Guys in the Hall of Merit but none of the other Halls are almost exclusively older players. Of the seventeen, thirteen of them played before the mound moved in 1893. At the HoME, we’d say they’ve over-filled that era.

Hall of Stats Only                                
Babe Adams	  Tommy Bond	  Charlie Buffinton   Cesar Cedeno
Eddie Cicotte	  Tommy John	  Chet Lemon	      Jim McCormick
Tommy Mullane	  John Olerud	  Jack Quinn	      Gene Tenace
Robin Ventura	  Wilbur Wood		

Nine of the fourteen guys in the Hall of Stats but no other Hall were pitchers. Generally, they’re older pitchers. Of the hitters, not one played before 1969.

Hall of Miller and Eric Only
Jose Cruz	 Art Fletcher	  Tommy Leach	    Tony Phillips
Wally Schang	 Bobby Veach	  Bucky Walters	    Roy White

The thing that HoMErs have in common, generally, is that they played spectacular defense, particularly as rated by DRA.

Overall this has been quite an exciting project. We hope you’ll check out our last election on Friday and our last set of obituaries on Monday.

Miller

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