Last November we took a look at the HoME in comparison to other Halls. And today, as we approach our final election at the Hall of Miller and Eric, it’s time to review and in a way, reflect. We’re going to look at those Halls once again as our project comes to a conclusion. We undertook this project because the Hall of Fame is a mess. But in the process of our review and our evisceration of Hall voters, we’ve realized just how much agreement there is as far as the experts at the Hall of Fame, Hall of Stats, Hall of Merit, and Hall of Miller and Eric are concerned.
There’s agreement, but there’s plenty of disagreement too. We’ll discuss both in this post.
As I guess we should have expected, there’s tremendous agreement among the four Halls. In two days, once our 2015 election is complete, each of the four Halls will have elected 137 of the same players. We agree on Walter Johnson and Babe Ruth, of course. And we also agree on guys close to the borderline like Jimmy Collins, Whitey Ford, and Zach Wheat. Overall we’re unanimous on 63.7% of players in the HoME, which I think is a pretty decent percentage.
We Agree on Talent
We can add eight names to those on whom we agree if we only consider talent. The Hall of Fame hasn’t elected Joe Jackson, Pete Rose, Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Jeff Bagwell, Mike Piazza, Rafael Palmeiro, or Mark McGwire, though the rest of us have. Suspension, steroid use, or steroid suspicion has kept their bronze busts from being hung in Cooperstown. If they were all elected, the other Halls would match 67.4% of those in the HoME. Basically, we have unanimity in terms of talent on more than 2/3 of the HoME.
Oh, How the Hall Has Failed
There are 28 more players who have been inducted into the Halls of Stats, Merit, and Miller and Eric but not the Hall of Fame. That means there’s 80.5% agreement among those three Halls. Is there a certain type of player on whom the Hall of Fame has fanned? Sure is!
Joe Torre, 1960-1977
Dick Allen, 1963-1977
Jimmy Wynn, 1963-1977
Reggie Smith, 1966-1982
Graig Nettles, 1967-1988
Ted Simmons, 1968-1988
Darrell Evans, 1969-1989
Bobby Grich, 1970-1986
Dwight Evans, 1972-1991
Keith Hernandez, 1974-1990
Willie Randolph, 1975-1992
Lou Whitaker, 1977-1995
Alan Trammell, 1977-1996
The Hall hates hitters from the 1970s, specifically hitters who were active in 1977, it would seem. And they also hate pitchers with low win totals.
Curt Schilling, 216
Rick Reuschel, 214
Kevin Brown, 211
David Cone, 194
Dave Stieb, 176
Bret Saberhagen, 167
Others they’ve whiffed on have been old guys like Charlie Bennett, Jack Glasscock, Bill Dahlen, Sherry Magee, and Wes Ferrell. They’ve also failed on hitters like Ken Boyer, Tim Raines, Edgar Martinez, and Larry Walker.
Here’s the whole group.
HoME, Stats, and Merit (no Fame) Dick Allen Charlie Bennett Ken Boyer Kevin Brown David Cone Bill Dahlen Darrell Evans Dwight Evans Wes Ferrell Jack Glasscock Bobby Grich Keith Hernandez Sherry Magee Edgar Martinez Graig Nettles Tim Raines Willie Randolph Rick Reuschel Bret Saberhagen Curt Schilling Ted Simmons Reggie Smith Dave Stieb Joe Torre Alan Trammell Larry Walker Lou Whitaker Jimmy Wynn
The Hall of Merit also leans away from 1970s hitters and low-win pitchers.
HoME and Stats (no Fame or Merit) Kevin Appier Sal Bando Buddy Bell Barry Bonds Willie Davis Chuck Finley Orel Hershiser Bob Johnson Jeff Kent Kenny Lofton Thurman Munson Mike Mussina Gary Sheffield Urban Shocker Sammy Sosa Luis Tiant
And the Hall of Merit leans away from early hitters (and 11-time All-Star catchers).
HoME and Merit (no Fame or Stats) Ross Barnes Bill Freehan Paul Hines Jimmy Sheckard George Wright
The Hall of Fame Gets It Right!
By getting it right, I mean voting for a player the HoME supports that either the Hall of Stats or the Hall of Merit doesn’t.
It’s hard to say there’s a specific type of player on whom the Halls of Fame and Merit agree with us but Stats disagrees. But it’s clear they’re not home run hitters.
HoME, Fame, and Merit (no Stats) Roy Campanella Max Carey Rich Gossage Billy Herman Willie Keeler Bid McPhee Joe Sewell Monte Ward
There are only three players we’ve agreed with the Halls of Fame and Stats on but not the Hall of Merit. And John Smoltz will likely be in the Hall of Merit soon enough.
HoME, Fame, and Stats (no Merit) John Smoltz Joe Tinker Vic Willis
And there are just two who have reached the HoME and Hall of Fame but neither of the others, both defensive stars.
HoME and Fame (no Stats or Merit) Dave Bancroft Harry Hooper
The HoME Doesn’t Elect Everyone
Below are a few charts of players elected by at least two of the Halls but not elected by us. This first one is where we stand alone by rejecting the player.
Fame, Stats, and Merit (no HoME) Jake Beckley Larry Doby Harmon Killebrew Joe Medwick Willie Stargell Hoyt Wilhelm
These next two have two Halls in agreement but not with the HoME. Both groups are pretty interesting.
Fame and Merit (no Stats or HoME) Earl Averill Roger Bresnahan Bobby Doerr Rollie Fingers Nellie Fox Hughie Jennings Joe Kelley Ralph Kiner Bob Lemon Eppa Rixey Edd Roush Enos Slaughter Sam Thompson
Stats and Merit (no Fame or HoME) Will Clark Clark Griffith Billy Pierce
The following charts list the players who are in only one of the Halls. Notice how many are in the Hall of Fame without the support of any other group.
Hall of Fame Only Luis Aparicio Chief Bender Lou Brock Jim Bottomley Orlando Cepeda Frank Chance Jack Chesbro Earle Combs Kiki Cuyler Dizzy Dean Hugh Duffy Johnny Evers Lefty Gomez Burleigh Grimes Chick Hafey Jesse Haines Waite Hoyt Catfish Hunter Travis Jackson Addie Joss George Kell George Kelley Chuck Klein Tony Lazzeri Fred Lindstrom Ernie Lombardi Heinie Manush Rabbit Maranville Rube Marquard Bill Mazeroski Tommy McCarthy Herb Pennock Tony Perez Kirby Puckett Jim Rice Sam Rice Phil Rizzuto Ray Schalk Red Schoendienst Bruce Sutter Pie Traynor Lloyd Waner Mickey Welch Hack Wilson Ross Youngs
I’m not going to beat a dead horse, but the thing the players above have most in common is that they’re just not that great.
Hall of Merit Only Pete Browning Bob Caruthers Cupid Childs George Gore Heinie Groh Stan Hack Charley Jones Charlie Keller John McGraw Cal McVey Minnie Minoso Dickey Pearce Lip Pike Hardy Richardson Al Spalding Joe Start Harry Stovey Ezra Sutton
Guys in the Hall of Merit but none of the other Halls are almost exclusively older players. Of the seventeen, thirteen of them played before the mound moved in 1893. At the HoME, we’d say they’ve over-filled that era.
Hall of Stats Only Babe Adams Tommy Bond Charlie Buffinton Cesar Cedeno Eddie Cicotte Tommy John Chet Lemon Jim McCormick Tommy Mullane John Olerud Jack Quinn Gene Tenace Robin Ventura Wilbur Wood
Nine of the fourteen guys in the Hall of Stats but no other Hall were pitchers. Generally, they’re older pitchers. Of the hitters, not one played before 1969.
Hall of Miller and Eric Only Jose Cruz Art Fletcher Tommy Leach Tony Phillips Wally Schang Bobby Veach Bucky Walters Roy White
The thing that HoMErs have in common, generally, is that they played spectacular defense, particularly as rated by DRA.
Overall this has been quite an exciting project. We hope you’ll check out our last election on Friday and our last set of obituaries on Monday.