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Phase II, Election V

Fred Clarke BookAfter today we will have elected five of the eleven managers in the second phase of our project, and we’ve yet to run into any controversy, basically agreeing on who to elect and obit without a heck of a lot of debate. I guess that’s a good thing. And I suppose the more intense debate will be coming soon, as we have fifteen managers to sift through for six remaining sport in the Hall of Miller and Eric.

Today Fred Clarke joins Joe Torre as the only two men in both the player wing and the manager wing of the HoME. And we bid farewell to Charlie Comiskey, better known as the owner of the Black Sox than for his managing days.

First we have an update as to where we are and then our HoME bio and obit.

Here are the sixteen men in the managerial wing of the Hall of Miller and Eric

Walter Alston       Al Lopez           Frank Selee
Sparky Anderson     Connie Mack        Billy Southworth
Fred Clarke         Joe McCarthy       Casey Stengel
Bobby Cox           John McGraw        Joe Torre
Miller Huggins      Bill McKechnie     Earl Weaver
Tony LaRussa            

And there are now just fifteen men we’ll consider for the remaining six spots.

                                                          G>	WS    Flags
                  Yrs     From       W      L       %   .500    Won   Won    Teams
===================================================================================
Cap Anson	   21	1875-1898   1295    947	  .578	 348	 0     5       3
Frank Chance	   11	1905-1923    946    648	  .593	 298     2     4       3
Leo Durocher	   24	1939-1973   2008   1709	  .540	 299	 1     3       4
Clark Griffith	   20	1901-1920   1491   1367	  .522	 124	 0     1       4
Ned Hanlon	   19	1889-1907   1313   1164	  .530	 149	 0     5       5
Whitey Herzog	   18	1973-1990   1281   1125	  .532	 156	 1     3       4
Ralph Houk	   20	1961-1984   1619   1531	  .514	  88	 2     3       3
Hughie Jennings	   16	1907-1925   1184    995	  .543	 189	 0     3       2
Tommy Lasorda	   21	1976-1996   1599   1439	  .526	 160	 2     4       1
Billy Martin	   16	1969-1988   1253   1013	  .553	 240	 1     2       5
Danny Murtaugh	   15	1957-1976   1115    950	  .540	 165	 2     2       1
Steve O'Neill	   14	1935-1954   1040    821	  .559	 219	 1     1       4
Lou Piniella	   23	1986-2010   1835   1713	  .517	 122	 1     1       5
Dick Williams	   21	1967-1988   1571   1451	  .520	 120	 2     4       6
Harry Wright	   23	1871-1893   1225    885	  .581	 340	 0     6       4

Hall of Miller and Eric

Already in the HoME as a left fielder similar to Al Simmons or Goose Goslin, Fred Clarke earns his second plaque today for his managerial accomplishments. He started his career taking over for the underwhelming Jim Rogers with the 1897 Louisville Colonels, leading that team for two-plus campaigns before being dealt to the Pittsburgh Pirates with HoMErs Honus Wagner, Rube Waddell, Tommy Leach, and other impressive talents. See, Louisville owner Barney Dreyfus owned half-interest in the Pirates, so what looked like a lopsided trade was really just a shifting of players from a franchise that was about to fold to one that wasn’t. What this meant for Clarke was a lot more talent in Pittsburgh than he was given to manage in Louisville. And with that talent he won three pennants in a row from 1901-1903. His 1903 Pirates led the Red Sox in the first World Series three games to one before dropping the final four straight. It took years to build up after that loss, as the Giants and Cubs began to dominate the NL. But in 1909, Clarke, the player, had his last excellent campaign, and Clarke, the manager, rode the great Honus Wagner and worked his pen beautifully on his way to 110 wins and a defeat of the Tigers in the World Series. Clarke won 1602 games in total and produced at a .576 rate. While he won only one World Series, he now has two plaques in the Hall of Miller and Eric.

Obituaries

Charlie ComiskeyAs a player, Charlie Comiskey was mediocre. As an owner, he was cheap. As a manager, he was quite successful, just not successful enough for a spot in the HoME. He led three teams in twelve seasons, winning 840 games at a .608 clip. But it was his time with the St. Louis Browns of the American Association during which he achieved his greatest success. Each year from 1885-1888 he took home the pennant, and he won what was considered the equivalent of the World Series when his Browns beat the NL’s Chicago White Stockings in six games. As we had to consider the quality of the competition in the AA for players, so too we have to for managers. Comiskey’s record is quite good, though his career is short, and the best of it was in the AA. So no plaque for him. Maybe when we look at pioneers and executives? That’s unclear now. What is clear is that he’s not among the twenty-two best managers ever.

Five elections are down, and six remain. Come back next week to learn the identity of our 17th HoME manager.

Miller

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Discussion

2 thoughts on “Phase II, Election V

  1. I checked Comiskey’s Hall of Fame plaque. It takes most of its space dealing with his playing off first base, then talks about his managerial career and just barely mentions his ownership of the ChiSox. It seems the totality of his career is greater than any single part. For your purposes (separating playing from managing, and I presume managing from ownership), that makes it difficult for him to make your Hall. Sounds fair to me.
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    Posted by verdun2 | January 8, 2016, 2:58 pm
  2. I think we’re going to put together a pioneer/executive sort of wing after we finish with managers. Comiskey will absolutely be in the running for a spot there.

    Posted by Miller | January 9, 2016, 5:57 am

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